Speaker 1: 0:31

I feel like confidence is kind of like the biggest attribute I'd use to describe Cornelius, and it's not something that's like rooted in arrogance, you know.

Speaker 1: 0:40

It's something that's more rooted in just knowledge of oneself. I feel like he's very self-aware of who he is, and when you have that much knowledge of yourself, you know you can be confident in both your strengths and your weaknesses, right. And so I feel like his confidence is not only contained just within himself, but he also builds confidence in other people. He probably hid some of his emotions, right. I mean, you can only imagine expecting to be drafted six rounds, whatever it may be, to then tearing your ACL weeks before the draft For him to overcome that and take it all in stride. And take it all with seemingly a good attitude and overcome it to get to where he was, to have multiple years in the NFL. Like that's amazing, you know, and that's something that is, you know, a testament to his character. I feel like he put 100 people in that situation and a good 90% of them probably wouldn't have recovered from that the way he did, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:44

Hannah wore these pink shoes and didn't wear knee pads and I was just like who is this girl that thinks she's so cool that she doesn't have to wear knee pads? The fact that she pretty much killed every ball she hit also caused me some consternation. But when I was recruiting the Evergreen State coach said you should recruit this girl from Tumwater.

Speaker 3: 2:12

I think they both have a mindset that whatever you wanna do do whether it be a business or raising kids or, you know, doing x, y and z as long as you put your full life and dedication into it and actually just hustle your way through the process. It's kind of like making sausage it's gross, it's disgusting, it's going to be tough, but at the end it's going to be tough, but at the end it's going to be a delicious product. And that's how I, you know, think they view Hustle Lean in the business. I wanted to move to bed and open up a gym. I was like, all right, you know, you guys, it sounds crazy at the time, you know late 2019, but I knew they were going to be successful in whatever they chose to do together. But I knew they were going to be successful in whatever they chose to do together, they listen.

Speaker 4: 2:58

Both of them are very good listeners and they glean a lot and they also give a lot to the people that are fortunate enough to work with them. She's my niece, she's my sister's daughter. She and my daughter are just three months apart, so it kind of makes it special that she's in my life now and has become a friend and an encouragement and an inspiration. Actually, she's just. She's a very, very special human being.

Speaker 1: 3:32

They're just true, born hustlers, that's the only way to put it. They're just true, born hustlers, that's the only way to put it. They're always on to the next thing, always looking at ways to touch more people, you know, to affect more lives. So, and I think that's what their hustle is, their hustle is, you know, connecting with people and finding different ways to do that.

Speaker 6: 4:17

So On episode 63, join me as I sit down with Cornelius and Hannah Edison, local owners of Bend Lift Fitness Studio, podcasters and former collegiate and professional athletes. Corn and Hannah shared their unexpected journey from the National Football League to becoming parents and successful business owners and, most recently, podcasters, with their new show, art of Hustle. On their show, they explore the challenges of balancing family, running a business, pursuing personal development and building a community, all while authentically sharing their journey of love, ambition and finding the purpose in the hustle of life. Yo, cornelius, hannah, hey, thanks for your time today, guys, I really enjoyed it. I feel like I know you two way more than I should, just based on you know, listening to your podcast and then also talking with friends and family. So, yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 7: 5:19

No, that was really. That was like touching yeah it was fun to hear things about yourself.

Speaker 8: 5:25

I'm not gonna lie yeah, it drew a lot of emotions, like appreciation and reflection, like yeah, because I've been doing this for like a very long time and have seen us in a lot of different phases, so it's like kind of sitting in the space now where we're at. It's pretty honoring.

Speaker 6: 5:41

Yeah, yeah, podcasting's fun. Are you guys enjoying it? We are yeah.

Speaker 8: 5:45

It's a lot of fun. Yeah, it allows like that quality time for us to be together and really be intentional with our conversations, which is a super fun space. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 6: 5:54

I was curious about that. You know um, you saw me bring it in, but I got you a gift which was uh you the man? Yeah, just a little, you know I. I saw it online and I was like Ooh, I got to get that. That. You know you'll find oh yeah, yeah. We'll get a picture of it afterwards and uh yeah, man Put it somewhere fun, Absolutely Hustle.

Speaker 8: 6:19

We're going to put it behind Hannah's her little podcast video. Oh, there you go.

Speaker 7: 6:25

A little blank wall behind her. Spice it up the art of hustle.

Speaker 6: 6:28

Tell me about this kind of this adventure you're on. I mean, cornelius, you and I met I don't know when that was. We went out to coffee, probably like at least six months ago. Uh, I think, um, Jack Green introduced us to each other cause he works out at Lyft and uh, you know, when you told me you wanted to start a podcast and you know, having kind of been down that road, um, I was super excited. Like I said, I've listened to all your episodes and I think they're really good. I've gotten a lot of good little insight. In fact, yesterday I was listening to the one you put out and I just got my how are you feeling? Notification hey, that's what's up man that makes me so happy.

Speaker 6: 7:13

Tell people about this. What are we talking about?

Speaker 8: 7:16

one of the episodes we talked about just emotions and identifying your emotions and what they mean in our bodies and our brains and how they come out in our actions. So you know, a client of mine was talking about this app called how we Feel and it's basically a personal journal of your emotions and you kind of just check in with yourself periodically throughout the day.

Speaker 6: 7:40

And you get to label your emotions and journal and it's a great reminder for accountability. Yeah, I mean I, I I downloaded it. Yesterday. I was at the mountain with my daughter and, uh, I was just sitting inside working on some stuff while she was snowboarding and I was I I was one of the things I was doing was listening to your most recent episode and I downloaded that and it's I really like the way it's designed to kind of give you it's like an interaction with all these different emotions, and even though you only pick one, you have to kind of critically think through which one do I most, and it's, it's, it's there's value there, man for sure.

Speaker 6: 8:12

Yeah, and you and I are similar in a lot of ways. After, like, getting to know you through your podcast and just kind of um hearing your, your, your lovely wife, talk about you and kind of your, your personality. I can identify with parts of each of you. So I've been excited to kind of sit down and just shoot the breeze with you. Why are to hustle, like of all the podcasts you could, uh, you could have made or named, or kind of talk a little bit about where this came from yeah, so kind of honestly out of the blue, like we, I'm a very I don't know if I'll say kind of spontaneous.

Speaker 7: 9:22

Um, I just like wait, I'll explain what you are. He's action and then perfection.

Speaker 8: 9:29

There we go.

Speaker 7: 9:29

I'm perfection and then action.

Speaker 8: 9:31

Yeah, so it's a nice little yin and yang. So, I was like Hannah, we're starting a podcast and she's like what, with what time, what energy? Like we can't do this. I don't want to do this X, y and Z. Next thing, you know, I'm kind of going through my phone and like trying to find out, pick, like, find pictures of posts. And we had a photo at the gym I think it was last spring and you know we're posing in the hustle sign. I was like this is perfect.

Speaker 8: 10:02

This would be a nice little like thing we could put like hustle podcast, do something. And I wanted to like combine, like my art experience I was an art major in college, yeah, and we're both like kind of just hustlers in the sense of like we love hard work and hustle, so we try to make it something that was like somewhat engaging and somewhat different than I don't normal podcast or I don't know what yeah it just kind of came together to the art of hustle podcast.

Speaker 6: 10:28

Yeah, well, it's, um, I think it's very appropriately named because it uh the subject matter that you guys talk about, whether it's and you guys talk about a lot of really good real stuff, dude, and it's vulnerable stuff. You know, like I I wrote down some of the some of my favorite content. You know, like everything from we just kind of touched on the mental health, but you have episodes on kind of and we'll talk through this you share your story of transitioning out of pro sports into entrepreneurship and business ownership, kind of what it was like, not knowing what the hell you were doing in early COVID. Becoming parents with you know a difficult pregnancy with twins and premature delivery. You know rediscovering your identity as outside of sport and as a parent. I can relate with that. I mean, we're all three former athletes.

Speaker 6: 11:29

Like my sport was snowboarding, but that's how I came to bend was snowboarding, and when I quit snowboarding and went back to school it was a transition man like a big one. So you know we'll get into it. But yeah, you guys are very. Your interracial marriage episode was insane. Marriage episode was was insane. You know, it's so good just for people to kind of hear a perspective on a very authentic, transparent couple. That's like you know, no one's perfect, but you guys it comes across very clearly. Um, your guys' intent with why you're sharing this stuff is to build people up and and, you know, give people something to relate to and and grab onto and learn about. And I mean it's, it's good stuff, man. So I think I'm a big fan. I think you should definitely keep pumping them out, and you're pumping them out quick, man. I mean you put out your. You put out your first episode on like when, in november I think, and you just published your 11th one.

Speaker 8: 12:29

So yeah, we're shooting for one a week that's, that's good yeah also find the time to post those. Uh yeah, my wife loves my tenacity for getting things done, so yeah, yeah, shoot for the stars.

Speaker 7: 12:41

What do you?

Speaker 6: 12:41

think, hannah, what? What do you think about this podcast and thing? I mean, I think I have my own um guess as to what you're getting out of it, but what are some of the unexpected kind of blessings that you've seen with this time spending with Korn just talking about real life stuff?

Speaker 7: 12:59

Yeah, well, first I have to say he very much tricked me into doing a podcast. We at first, like just sat on our couch and he handed me this like tiny little rectangle with a little puffball on it. He said're just gonna chat. And that ended up being our first episode without really even knowing so, to be fair, I didn't really even know what I was signing up for. But without me like realizing, podcasting has been so amazing the just the ability to sit down and like go through subjects that you really wouldn't necessarily talk about unless you like had questions. Like you know, we have these questions that we ask each other, that I wouldn't normally ask him.

Speaker 7: 13:42

And just sitting down and having that time where we don't our kids we never do it when our kids are around that's kind of number one. So it's like it's intentional quality time where we talk about what we want, what we want to discuss, so we both kind of have input on what, what's important to us, what's on our heart. And then there's no screens. You know you're not. That's an hour, hour and a half, two hours where you're not looking at your phone, you're not getting any other information, you're literally just sitting there listening to your spouse talk, thinking about what they're talking and then responding to them, which and nowadays is very difficult to get that time unless you are, it's like, forced on, and so it has become a very like special thing that we do, and so I'm thankful that you tricked me.

Speaker 6: 14:34

It'll be fun to. I was telling my wife about this, like it'll be fun, as you guys you know, as the years go by, I have it. It's like a little time capsule you know about, like you're. You're capturing these real life thoughts and you know celebrations and fears and all that we experience in this life. You're kind of just, you know, capturing it in a unique way that only audio can do. Man.

Speaker 7: 15:01

Yeah, no, that is very, very true. Like you have pictures but you don't really know the emotions behind the pictures. And then, when you can look back even now, like looking back on our first or second podcast, already there's reflection going on, and that's only a couple of months. It'll be interesting. Years go down and we're like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 8: 15:22

Crazy time Just starting. I had that legacy component in the back of my head Because our kids are so young, at four and two, that like one day they're going to listen to these episodes and like they're going to know what mom and dad went through when they were so young and it's going to be super cool to kind of share that with them.

Speaker 6: 15:39

A hundred percent, man yeah.

Speaker 7: 16:00

I mean, I'm, I'm, I don't know if.

Speaker 6: 16:01

Korn's told you about Story Booth, or not? Yeah, a little bit, you know it's. The technology has allowed the process and then also the consumption of the content just to be very seamless. You know like gone are the days where you have to record onto a tape player have a tape player. You know, like it's all. It's just, it's very easy to do. So, yeah, it's cool. I, I, uh, I very much encourage you guys to keep it going. You know that you're, you're, I'm a fan. We appreciate it. Who's your audience?

Speaker 8: 16:59

That's a great question. Parents, former athletes, anybody looking for hope, honestly, like anybody going through some times that are hard, that need some like just light to look towards. And just interracial couples, like young parents, like all that kind of plays into our, our mindset when recording these episodes, because we know how hard it is, how hard it can be, yeah, and so just helping them, like you know, use as a resource, have a question or whatever it may be, or get an idea, yeah. Just anybody looking at better themselves, yeah, in their lives love it, man.

Speaker 6: 17:37

So, cornelius Edison, you grew up in uh kind of split. Your time is what it sounds like between California and Washington so I was born in California. California spent most of my time in Washington and then, hannah, you grew up in Washington yeah, yeah and you guys met your. You went to PSU, portland State. Yes, sir, I went to Portland State, did you really?

Speaker 6: 17:57

go bikes, yeah um in a very different experience than you you know, but I remember sitting in the that library studying because I was going kind of the pre-med route, so just a lot of like science. That had been years since I'd taken from high school and I remember studying in that library looking out over the football field. And uh.

Speaker 8: 18:18

I didn't have much time in that library. I was going to say he was probably on a football field looking at the library. It was a good distraction from practice. Looking up there Like what are they?

Speaker 6: 18:26

studying up there, so you went to Portland state on a football scholarship, yeah, and talk a little bit about kind of your upbringing, cause I mean this, this kind of starts to touch on this concept of hustle. I mean, obviously people say hustle. You can think of a lot of different words. You know. Some of the other synonyms I think of are like determination, adaptability I wrote down resourcefulness, focus, resilience, grit, you know, and and sport, especially collegiate sport, and then moving on to the pros, I mean, unless you're like just a physiologic phenom, like there's a and even if you are like there's a lot of hustle that is required to like succeed in that absolutely so.

Speaker 8: 19:11

I was always fascinated with I still am fascinated with the thought of like evolution and like reaching higher levels, like I'm obsessed with like building, just like tapping into my human potential Right.

Speaker 8: 19:24

And so in high school I realized I was like decent at football, love playing it.

Speaker 8: 19:30

I got a later start than my friends and I realized like quickly, like oh oh, I can use this support to like leverage a college education right, I can get a college scholarship, take that financial pressure off myself and my parents and just like get out of my community and just like go somewhere new. So that kind of led me to the journey of like all right, let's see how I can push my talent and like how I can can like sacrifice and work hard and become committed to something. And so once I learned how to do that, going to college like that process reset. So it's just like how can I reset again and evolve in this structure of university. So I really didn't think I was going to the NFL, like I never grew up with the dream that I was playing in the NFL. But in college I just realized that like I like I have a lot of control of myself for how hard I can work and like where I can take myself. So where do you learn that that's a great?

Speaker 6: 20:26

I don't really know, it's just inside of me, it's just kind of your innate, like the way God made you man, honestly like the way God made you man honestly, it's been like curiosity, like I'm a very curious person so I'm always curious like how I can like change my situation.

Speaker 8: 20:39

I never. I don't believe like I'm going to be where I'm at for the rest of my life, and so I'm always like thinking about how I can like improve, optimize, just get better.

Speaker 8: 20:48

I'm obsessed with getting better develop man, yeah, human development, absolutely yeah, it's fascinating so kind of just going through that from my freshman year to my junior year, I kind of realized like nfl was looking at me. It was like it gave me the confidence in my formula to keep going. Yeah. And so I've kind of concept of like getting one percent better every day and just like I am better to say that was yesterday because I put in the work and so just taking that and just replicating every day just helped me get to that next level and so like that's where I'm still applying to my life now.

Speaker 6: 21:24

Yeah, yeah, like your brother said on there, you know, in the intro there is some. There is kind of a to some degree like a recipe or a formula to some of this. Obviously there's a lot of uncontrollable factors that don't guarantee outcomes by any stretch. But yeah, I love I. I'm also kind of enjoying that concept of 1%. Better every day over time adds up to a lot of percentage absolutely yeah, compound interest yeah, I think it's a wise.

Speaker 6: 21:55

I think it's a wise way to to go through life. That's the other thing. I was talking to your aunt buffy, who we heard from on the intro, and I was telling her because are you guys in your early 30s, how old are you? I'm 31, 31 I'm still 29.

Speaker 7: 22:11

One more month, One more month.

Speaker 6: 22:12

You guys are you're incredibly wise for your age, and I mean I'm 45. So like it's not, but just like there, I don't think I had some of the insight that you guys had have when I was your age, you know. So like I applaud you for that. I think that's a. I think that's a product.

Speaker 8: 22:32

I was thinking about that, I think that's a product of the choices you guys have made and the people you've surrounded yourself with. Absolutely that's probably the most important part like who like my friend group was, and like my parents and like the energy they put around us like helped us succeed, because it was like our life could have went a lot of different ways, you know, and the place that we lived, or the friend groups that my parents had, and they always set a good example for us, and then we used to replicate that with, like good people who were like-minded and they don't have to agree with us, but like they're good kids doing good things and trying really hard to like make their life better.

Speaker 6: 23:07

Yeah, that's great. So, hannah, your brother was roommates with cornelius. Here we go, yeah.

Speaker 7: 23:15

Yes.

Speaker 6: 23:16

Share this story because it's a good one.

Speaker 7: 23:19

Yeah Well, Cornelius and my brother were roommates at Portland State.

Speaker 6: 23:29

You want the whole story or you want me to just say how I? Whatever you want to say, there's no right or wrong way to do this I'll do the short story of a long story.

Speaker 7: 23:38

I met him one time. He was in his underwear holding a very big knife, and I was scared to death of him and honestly really did not want to ever see him again in my life. And then fast forward six months later.

Speaker 6: 23:52

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't think he's heard this. You got, I have heard the story. That's why, like you gotta get like a little bit more yeah that sounds like you could go a lot of different ways, and that's okay, okay, my brother, I went.

Speaker 7: 24:12

It was like break time, they share an apartment. My brother was like I have a test, can you drive me to Portland so I can sleep in the car, I can get up, take my test and we can drive back to Olympia. It's like, yeah, sure, I'm a great little sister, I'll do that for you. So we get to their apartment was 702 downtown Portland. We get there, it's late at night, like late at night, like I think maybe 1am, and we're like opening up the apartment and we like walk in and there is Cornelius no joke in his underwear holding an extremely large kitchen knife, like posted up ready to attack.

Speaker 7: 24:50

And I like jump on my brother and first of all, like, if you guys don't know what Cornelius looks like, he's at that time he's probably a 320 pound, very large African-American man, beautiful specimen. And it scared me half to death. So I like quickly went to my brother's room and he was like oh, cornelius, cornelius, it's like sorry, I should have told you we're coming, corn, thought we someone was breaking in the apartment. So we kind of like got that all settled. I went to bed. I like woke up. I was like I hope Cornelius isn't here, here, like that. He was very scary, and so that that was my first my first, like ever visual.

Speaker 6: 25:32

I will never like lose that that.

Speaker 8: 25:33

That's that like it was seared into your brain that beautiful, beautiful sight, yeah, it was something so.

Speaker 7: 25:39

But then I kind of started. I went to a christian university in seattle and so I kind of started visiting my brother and started crushing on Cornelius. Cornelius, I do have to say, was very respectful. He kept me at arm distance for as long as he could, a couple of months maybe, before. I just charmed him and convinced him. And so he finally one day asked my brother hey, what do you think if I maybe date your sister? And the rest is history.

Speaker 8: 26:13

What was your guys' first date? We were in the University of Tacoma. We went to the zoo, that's a fun date.

Speaker 6: 26:20

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8: 26:21

And I took her to my little favorite restaurant where I grew up at and then took it to this uh, hidden beach. That wasn't so hidden, but that was nice little yeah.

Speaker 6: 26:31

I love it, man. Yeah, yeah, and you were a volleyball player in college yeah yeah, we heard from your college coach.

Speaker 7: 26:38

Steve coach bang.

Speaker 6: 26:40

Yeah, he's a great guy he is he uh, he does a lot of interesting research in orthopedics and sports medicine, and I work in orthopedics.

Speaker 7: 26:47

So I was like oh interesting, like yeah, he's, he's brilliant. Yeah, I could tell.

Speaker 6: 26:52

Yeah, he was using words, I didn't know.

Speaker 7: 26:54

Yeah, welcome to my four years of college.

Speaker 6: 26:59

Yeah, great guy though. It was fun to talk with him.

Speaker 7: 27:02

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 27:02

So you guys started dating kind of that evolved. So you guys started dating kind of that evolved. And then I mean you eventually kind of had and I'll let you share the story but I mean you started getting scouted and from talking with your brother and your buddy, jason, like just that process sounds like a crazy experience.

Speaker 6: 27:26

But then also you had like your knee injury, like right before the draft, which is, you know, and I know you've shared that story before with a lot of people but it, it, it's a, it's a pretty big going back to hustle, it's a pretty big bookmark in your story. It seems like, from my perspective, at a pivotal point. Absolutely no, no, it changed my life. Yeah, um just going.

Speaker 8: 27:49

So my senior year I finished out and played really well, kind of just did everything I was supposed to do to make it to the next level. Yeah, I went to all-star game in miami kind of fall of the season and just all of my momentum was building towards getting drafted, hired an agent started training for pro day, all the good stuff, and I got to fly out to Chicago, to New York, to visit with teams, which is kind of a big marker of being drafted. And so I was just making all this noise for being from a small school. I won the Remington Award, which is pretty special, which means I was the best center in the nation at my position.

Speaker 8: 28:25

So super honored and just like all things were trending towards like what I thought, what I can reach, and a week for the draft. I was working on the Seattle Seahawks and I'm going to a drill and there's like 10 other guys in peak. I was like we want to see Quentin Quentin go first, and so I get up there and it's a little drill. I've done all the time four combs, you sprint, you shuffle your back pedal and then you sprint again. And I went to back pedal. My like left leg didn't leave the ground and I just felt this pop. It kind of felt like my knuckles cracked in my knee and so my pride was just hurt and I'll just like try to hop up super fast and I took a step and I felt my knee buckle and I was like, oh, this is not good, like I've never felt this in all my life. So a trainer came over and said they gonna sit me out.

Speaker 8: 29:16

That was on a Friday. The following Monday went to the doctor, confirmed torn ACL and this was the start of draft week. So I had family flying in, I had, we had a whole party set up and just had to wait it out. And thursday was day one which I knew I was gonna get drafted. So day two came and it was a bear's pick. Second round they dropped a center from oregon oregon ducks and my soul just left my body because I was like that should have been me, yeah, man. And so soul just left my body because I was like that should have been me.

Speaker 8: 29:47

Yeah, man. And so I just remember being so like distraught. And the next day comes, three teams call me and say hey, we're going to draft you today, and my response had to be I have a torn ACL, you can't draft me. I went and cleared a medical exam and so going from a place of putting all that hard work into telling teams you can't draft me was like the most devastating blow that I ever experienced. So that same, you know I'm still in school at this point. So I kind of say forget school.

Speaker 8: 30:18

I failed my senior term, senior spring term. A month later I'm moving back home to have surgery and so I'm right back to the place I left from high school with like no college degree, no NFL, so it's like I might as well stay at home. Last three and a half year, four years so put a call into my former coach and he said hey, come, coach, we'll give you a scholarship for one more year and you can finish college. So that's what I did. I kind of pulled myself together and went back to Portland State and started coaching and then, I think, halfway through the training camp, so you coached at Portland State.

Speaker 6: 30:53

Yep While you were a student? Yep, no way.

Speaker 8: 30:57

Yeah, so I because I was done playing football, yeah Went back to Portland at the end of July, like a month and a half after my surgery. I started coaching with the team and then late August the Bears GM called me, said everyone fly you out, check your knee out. So that kind of ramped up my process to go back to the NFL. And so I started training and it was November I signed and so I had like a few weeks of school left and I was like hey, teachers, like I'm about to go to the NFL, like can we just grade my work so I can graduate, which they did, and then I started my NFL career that way.

Speaker 7: 31:33

Anna, what do you remember about this season of life? It was very up and down. Cornelius Grant, he was very like emotional. His world had just kind of gotten turned upside down. I was still in college and I was still trying to figure out you know what. What I wanted Also during this time, cornelius was pretty sure I was the one he was going to marry. So yeah.

Speaker 6: 31:50

How long had you guys been dating at this point? Three years, okay, so a little some time, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7: 31:58

So, um, but I was, it was a lot, it was just a lot, and I tried my best to be, to be there for him, but he had, he had to get through a lot of this like mentally on his own. You know, when you're going through kind of a valley, you, you really have to just buckle down and and manage it as best you can. A hundred percent man it as best you can. A hundred percent, man.

Speaker 8: 32:29

So that was definitely it was hard and we broke up multiple times during during this time.

Speaker 7: 32:32

So we weren't. It wasn't all rainbows and butterflies and it was. It was hard.

Speaker 6: 32:37

I was curious about that because you know I mean being young people going through a massive like um trial season of life. That is obviously one of the more most emotionally exhausting kind of experiences you've ever had. You know, I see a lot of athletes like college athletes with knee injuries at my job and I tell them all the time like injury is just part of sport. This is an opportunity for you to kind of mature in a way that you can only mature when you have to go through an injury with the goal of getting back to your sport on the other end. There's no other way you can grow in that way unless you go through that, that's facts.

Speaker 6: 33:19

You know. So like and I think it was Jason that said early on, like you know, 90% of people in that position probably would not have kind of kept the dream alive. But man, good on you.

Speaker 8: 33:30

Yeah, I definitely had like something with the ME said that like I was not done yet and you know I went from getting surgery June to practicing in the NFL November, december. So that's like six months later and at this time recovery is nine to 12 months. Six months later, and at this time recovery is nine to 12 months. So you can imagine like the emotional mental fight that I went through to like be at my peak, go all the way down to learn how to walk again and then now I gotta practice the nfl six months later which or it's gonna be a test at my hundred percent.

Speaker 8: 34:00

So I was going in there, you know, a quarter percent at what I would thought I was going to be playing. That so that was very challenging. But, you know, overcoming that really, like it put a different confidence in my spirit. That like I'm so grateful that I tore my CO and like I had that pain, I had that fight, because, you know, now a lot of life is easier in a lot of ways because I went through that, yeah, and nothing else. I mean only lord knows like what else could have made me that strong. So I'm I'm really just like and honestly grateful for a lot of people in my life at that time.

Speaker 8: 34:38

Look, I saw a lot of people fall off. A lot of people just kind of just push me to the side and like didn't think I was um, you know mainstay level, so they just kind of were using me to the side and like didn't think I was um, you know mainstay level, so they just kind of were using me for that, whatever, whatever. But I'm really grateful to have my team of people around me yeah, man.

Speaker 6: 34:55

So you guys, you guys get married before you go into the league, or after, after, after so you head off to chicago, yep break up, you guys are separated at that point Yep Chicago was a great time yeah.

Speaker 7: 35:11

Korn goes and lives the best three months of his life in Chicago.

Speaker 6: 35:17

Dude, what did you think going into the NFL was going to be like and what was like? Talk me through that first practice.

Speaker 8: 35:23

Yeah, tell us about it. You said the first practice. Yeah, like said the first practice. Yeah, like just the first, like your first, like walking in, you're the new guy, like well, it was, honestly, it was very hard. So, typically, like you walk in, it's like brand new team, a lot of good energy, excitement.

Speaker 8: 35:38

I walked into a team that was had a losing record. There was six weeks left in the season and guys are like packing it up ready to go home, like no one was trying to win. People were trying to like stay healthy and like make it in mexico a month later. So I was just shocked that like people weren't giving it their all every single day, yeah, and so that was like a mind thing that I worked through. Um, so the culture was just, it is what it was at that time. But it really showed me that, like, being professional, it looks different to everybody and yes, we're a team, but we're all individuals in this business. So I had to figure out who I was very early on. I couldn't like succumb to like the that kind of mentality that I walked into.

Speaker 6: 36:21

Yeah, man, Was there a? Was there like anybody? Do they have like a mentorship program like where new rookies come in and there's someone on the team, that kind of?

Speaker 8: 36:31

yeah, typically. But when I came in, like you know, all the rookies at that point were they went through spring camp, they went to training camp, they, you know most of the season, so that's kind of a very beginning of the year um thing. But, like I said, there's five weeks left. Everyone's tired, beat up, no one's thinking about bringing a new guy over for dinner.

Speaker 6: 36:50

So I just got to figure it out for myself, figure it out. And then you were in Chicago the next year Yep, next year and a half two years. Next year and a half, two years. And then I was reading about your football career last night and I can't remember, but it was Chicago and then somewhere in between, but then you was.

Speaker 8: 37:06

You also spent time in Minnesota yep, so I went from Chicago and got cut there, then went to Atlanta for about six months. That's what it was in.

Speaker 6: 37:13

Atlanta to Minnesota, to Minnesota. So you had like a four or five year career yeah, four yeah good for you, man yeah, so what's the? Average length of a in they say two years, two years, so you're above average. Yeah, man. Hannah was on to something.

Speaker 8: 37:30

Yeah, I know, she didn't see that first, but she sees it now.

Speaker 6: 38:05

Three kids later man. You sound like a good dad when I was listening to kind of how you talk about your kids and kind of the why behind some of the decisions you make in your parenting style, like I could relate with them, like it, like you're intentional about the way you're parenting. Absolutely you know not to jump too far ahead in the story.

Speaker 7: 38:30

He's a great dad.

Speaker 7: 38:31

He's very intentional, Like there's, there's, I swear, like no small thing in our house. Like even if it's, he said, like the kids have to like be asked to be excused, you know, even if they get down. And he's like, oh, you get right, get right back up there, you sit down and you wait till. Like he doesn't a lot of times, like I'll be a little bit lazy if there's so much going on, Like, all right, well, I didn't excuse them, their life's going on and he really he holds everyone in the house to a very high standard in that sense and it's very I look up to you in that.

Speaker 6: 39:06

Yeah. Was that modeled to you growing up? It was yeah, both in the house and in sports. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8: 39:17

I think about the people who I admire the most and it's like they have the most discipline and Helps accountable to that discipline. So, yeah, I thought that just Helps us develop in it like a very sound and safe way. You understand, like the boards and the edges and parameters. So, yeah, that's why I try to miles with dad.

Speaker 6: 39:29

Yeah, I have a hunch that like podcasting for you has become kind of a creative outlet. But you mentioned you crew, you studied art in college. I did that like tell me more about that because that's interesting. Like when. When did you first kind of get in touch with like this creative component to your personality?

Speaker 8: 39:52

yeah, so that came definitely from my grandmother. Like her and i's quality time was doing art, artwork, art projects, drawing, yeah, and I found very early that it gave my brain this like satisfaction, like it helped the stress anxiety, before I even knew what it was yeah and it helped my brain like return to this, like nice even baseline, and just like it allowed me to get my even baseline and just like allow me to get my chaoticness into like a constructive kind of format.

Speaker 8: 40:20

So, going to college, like I had really had no idea what I wanted to do in college and I tried to do engineering and saw the course load and I was like, yep, that's not for me. Respect to those who can do that, but yeah. So I kind of started looking at elsewhere and you know, business history, all these things, things like I just had no interest in it. And then I think I met with like an art kind of counselor and she recommended kind of getting into the graphic design program and just designing and just love that. So I ended up getting a degree in art practices so kind of like touched on all medias but I love kind of graphic design. Kind of canva is my favorite thing ever right now because I can design in my business personal brand, so it's a.

Speaker 6: 41:04

It's a lot of fun. Yeah, is that? Did you make your podcast cover on on canva? Yeah, yeah, it's a good cover.

Speaker 8: 41:09

Yeah, so I was actually a picture, but kind of separated images, but it's uh, yeah, it's just a nice little graphic design.

Speaker 6: 41:15

Yeah, fun, creative project, yeah yeah, yeah, how about you, hannah? What like talk a little bit about your? So you, what do you study in school?

Speaker 7: 41:25

I was, uh, elementary education, okay, so I was supposed to be a teacher, yeah, but um, you are a teacher, you got three kids.

Speaker 6: 41:32

Man amen, yes indeed, every day.

Speaker 7: 41:36

Um, but I right, when I graduated, uh, cornelis and I got engaged like two months before I graduated, then we got married two months after I graduated and then we were off, moving to atlanta so um, I've never honestly even thought about teaching it.

Speaker 7: 41:53

Kind of, I got my degree and I put it, put it in a backpack, it's somewhere in my closet, somewhere I don't know. But um, yeah, I, um, we moved to atlanta and then I was just a wag for a while, for a couple of years. What's a wag? What even is a wag?

Speaker 6: 42:11

wife and girlfriend. Oh, wife and girlfriend, wife and girlfriend oh yeah, and like it's girlfriend.

Speaker 8: 42:16

Oh in the yeah and like it's like professional and yeah, I got it. I haven't heard that term in years.

Speaker 7: 42:24

That's what they call you like if you're like a girlfriend or a wife, but you don't really do anything. You don't have like kids, you literally just like you're like yeah, you hang out, that sounds fun. Oh, it was so fun.

Speaker 6: 42:37

Yeah, no you?

Speaker 7: 42:37

yeah, there was a lot. There's a lot of shopping, a lot of alcohol, a lot of late nights. You didn't. There was no responsibility besides the game day. You just had to show up wearing your husband or boyfriend's like jersey and call it good.

Speaker 6: 42:50

That's incredible.

Speaker 7: 42:52

Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6: 42:53

How did you you, so you guys were not together when you went to chicago tell me the story about getting back together?

Speaker 8: 42:59

yeah. So I think I finished that year, my rookie year, in chicago and I kind of decision made, like she was in school, um kind of halfway through her senior year, and she was living in kirkland, washington, and I was like do I go back to portland, um, and train there, go to Seattle?

Speaker 7: 43:18

and so we were not.

Speaker 8: 43:19

We were not together, we were not but we, you know, we still talked and like had a friendship, one would say. And so I was like you know what? Like I really think this is the one. And so I was like I'm gonna move Seattle for off season, which is typically January through March, april, so kind of 90 days to figure it out. So I went up there.

Speaker 7: 43:38

When he says move to Seattle, he moved less than a mile away from my school.

Speaker 8: 43:43

I found a nice little apartment on the lake.

Speaker 7: 43:46

I was student teaching and it happened to be that I drove right by his apartment every day to go to my student teaching.

Speaker 8: 43:53

You're making this sound so creepy.

Speaker 6: 43:55

I think that's called strategy.

Speaker 8: 43:58

I'm pretty sure you picked it out when I was in Chicago. But, anyways, yeah, so I kind of let us get back together and just started hanging out again.

Speaker 7: 44:06

Well, yeah, that was like January.

Speaker 8: 44:08

January.

Speaker 7: 44:08

And then I was like all right, if we do this, we're doing this. So then we got engaged in April.

Speaker 8: 44:14

Yeah.

Speaker 7: 44:14

Married in July. Yeah, so it was bada bing, bada boom.

Speaker 8: 44:18

Yeah, yeah. Two days later I went to Atlanta for a training camp no honeymoon. Yeah, it was a fast seven months.

Speaker 7: 44:26

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 44:26

Yeah, yeah, but then you got to the honeymoon kind of sounds like the NFL experience, man, yeah yeah, that's incredible. Wow, that's that's incredible.

Speaker 6: 44:37

Wow, that's super fun. It's always, you know, like it's fat. There's so many interesting people in this town that I've had the opportunity to sit in here and talk with, and just some of them are athletes. But just everybody's own individual kind of athletic kind of experience and when you get to that upper tier level of a sport and the lifestyle and it very quickly turns into something that is is totally foreign to what you thought like it, things change as the expectation of that thing, the relationship with that thing evolves and develops it.

Speaker 6: 45:14

It has a different flavor of what these things are. So I can only imagine, like you guys, experiencing that together early on. That's fun, man yeah, that's really.

Speaker 8: 45:24

We got to see a lot of cool things together yeah it really shaped us into who we are today.

Speaker 8: 45:29

Today it's like a couple and, like you know, you know, going from the nfl lifestyle, it's moving to bend. You know, super small town, I flew in chicago, minnesota, atlanta, port, the nfl lifestyle it's moving to bend. You know, super small town, I flew in chicago, minnesota, atlanta, portland, seattle. Like it's very refreshing being here because, like all those expectations just lower and we can simply just exist, which is, yeah, it's been very refreshing coming here and especially raising a family here. Because I mean, I gotta applaud all those people who, like, live the NFL lifestyle and raise a family.

Speaker 8: 45:59

That's not an easy thing to do with how much you're moving around. Just uncertainty week to week, month to month.

Speaker 6: 46:06

Yeah, I mean, marriage is hard enough as it is.

Speaker 6: 46:10

You know, in all honesty, Like my wife and I are always like it takes work to make it work right and, like you know, I don't think necessarily people like to admit that per se, cause everybody wants to throw out that it's easy, but I think that's not true for them. For some people it seems to be. But you know, humans are humans, man, and we all have our things, you know, and like so, like the commitment level and working through all the different trials that life can present. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's unique, the, the uh, this, the selflessness that you learn about, that's required to have, like a healthy marriage. Absolutely, you guys learn that quick man yeah.

Speaker 6: 46:54

That's cool. That's in in a man. Yeah, that's cool, that's in a unique way. Yeah, what, what? What was like the, the series of events that led you into your transition out of the NFL?

Speaker 8: 47:06

Yeah, I just uh, I had a very, I had a great career.

Speaker 8: 47:09

It was very frustrating and it took it like a big mental and emotional toll on my body and my mind and physically I just got to a point where I was like I don't know if I want to keep sacrificing my body for this, mentally and emotionally. And you know, year three I was slated to start, started all training camp and then I got cut like out of the blue and just was just like blindsided and it just led me to a place I was very frustrated with um, depression, anxiety, too much alcohol, like I didn't like who I was becoming yeah and so the following year I was like you know what, like if it's not this year that I'm out, like.

Speaker 8: 47:52

And so, going to the year minnesota drafted a center, I think first or second round, and that was like my writing on the wall to like I was not going to be there. So I went to that training camp, like, and I was like if I'm going to be here, then I'll be here and like continue playing. If I'm not going to be here, I'm going to give it 24 hours for a team to call my phone and things don't happen within that time frame, then I'm done. And so, um, as training camp went on, like the previous year I was, you know, starting getting all the reps to like getting all the garbage time the following year. So I was just like, okay, like this is what it is like, I'm control what I control.

Speaker 8: 48:31

And honestly, I had so much fun like removing all the pressure myself of being the starter and just, uh, I just knew my body, my brain, it was done, and so you know it was funny, like you kind of know you're getting cut and so like why don't you play? So we just finished our last preseason game. I stole my Jersey. I was like I'm putting my backpack charge game, I stole my jersey.

Speaker 6: 48:57

I was like I'm putting my backpack. Charge me the fine, like I don't care, like this is what I'm taking with you get fined.

Speaker 7: 49:00

If you don't return in your jersey, they fine you for everything.

Speaker 8: 49:03

Oh, yeah, you get all kind of fine. If you're a pound overweight you get like a five dollar fine does that come out of your paycheck?

Speaker 6: 49:09

or do you have to write a check paycheck.

Speaker 8: 49:11

yeah, they automate it too, so they don't play about that. So I just get my jersey, then I'm like next day we get home like 4 am from traveling the game and like cut day starts after that fourth game and I think I got a phone call like 145. It's the same phone call like hey, can you bring your playbook in? Coach wants to see you, and so 1.30, my badge is packed. 145, I get the call by 2 15. My truck is loaded, I'm driving back from minnesota to portland.

Speaker 8: 49:43

Like no way, I think, I made it home like I don't know. Like I stopped and rested for like one hour, took a nap in the hotel and like got back home and I literally feel myself becoming a new person, like driving away from my past, driving away into this new journey, and like just sitting with myself in isolation just accepting what I've, um, the decision I'm making, and I remember I had so much peace and clarity and all that. And then a couple weeks later we get the phone call about the gym. And that same week I got teams calling my phone because injuries started happening kind of week four, week five about me kind of coming to work out and train and whatnot. But so I was very conflicted about where to go business or back to the NFL, wow.

Speaker 6: 50:28

I didn't realize that you had that decision to make. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8: 50:33

I think three teams called three, four teams called I got drafted into the xfl league and so people were calling me to keep playing. Cfl was calling, but I just bet on myself that you know I want to do business. Don't ask me why, but yeah, that's where I wanted to go, yeah, yeah, that's cool I have.

Speaker 6: 50:51

Uh, this is a good time to play this audio from Buffy. It's about that phone call.

Speaker 7: 50:56

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 4: 50:57

This journey of the gym. I actually, uh, you know, as we get preoccupied with thoughts of caring for other people, uh, I had, uh, the the original owner of the gym had been training with my husband and I for like 10 years and was getting of an age and of just needing to move on in life and was looking for someone who would care as much about his business as he did, care as much about his clients and the community as he did. And you know, as one of his clients, I just I was really wanting that for him. He became a really good friend of ours and I was really wanting to see his legacy move forward in our community. And I just, oddly, had a dream one night and woke up the next morning and called my mom and said hey, I had a memorable enough dream that I just feel like I need to pass it on to you.

Speaker 4: 52:01

I don't know what Hannah and Korn's future is or what their dreams or plans are, but I just had the craziest dream that they bought Schliebe's gym and studio from him and I just I saw I actually saw them integrated into the community. I saw them integrated into into this studio, gym, life of training people and attracting elite athletes, et cetera, et cetera. And I said and, and that's all, that's all. That's all, that's all I have. And that turned into her communication with Hannah and Korn and a very, very quick response. I got a phone call from Hannah saying, hey, what about coming your direction and taking a look at the stream you had, or whatever that may be? And the rest is history. Yeah.

Speaker 8: 52:59

That's wild.

Speaker 6: 53:00

Does that seem like a long time ago?

Speaker 8: 53:02

Not really Like. Yes, I can, yes.

Speaker 7: 53:05

To me it seems like a different life.

Speaker 8: 53:07

Yeah.

Speaker 7: 53:08

It seems like a very different life.

Speaker 6: 53:09

I just remember that so clearly though it's 2019. That would be like a timestamp on this.

Speaker 8: 53:14

Yeah.

Speaker 6: 53:15

Yeah, 2019, that would be like a time stamp on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, that's six years ago. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, had you guys been to bend before that?

Speaker 7: 53:23

I had yeah well, I was born here. Oh, you were born, I was born and been. Yeah, my mom's side of the family, um, came here like before bend was cool, like they were, they're like some of the founders of Bend so and then we moved away when I got a little bit older, but we always came back. My papa and nana lived here and my mom's sister. So we always and brother, we were always coming.

Speaker 6: 53:44

So was it your mom's dad that started Mountain.

Speaker 7: 53:48

View Heating and Cooling. Yep, yeah, I love it man.

Speaker 6: 53:51

That's an. That is an old school Bend company man.

Speaker 7: 53:55

It is, no, it's I remember like jingles from them.

Speaker 6: 53:58

Yeah, like the 90s, yes, yeah.

Speaker 7: 54:00

No, it is, it's really it's, it's very genuine. Yeah.

Speaker 7: 54:06

And so that. So Cornelius had never been, though, but we decided to. I was like, before any of this gym stuff was a thing we had. We have, like our favorite um couple that we do everything Jason, jason and his wife Helena. They're another interracial couple, and they we were like let's go to bend. Like it's kind of up and up and coming, it's like super fun, and this was September of 2019. So, um, a couple months before all of this happened, and we just we came here and we kind of had a couple experiences that weren't great, and we literally like, driving away, cora and I were in the car and I was like. I looked at him like yeah, I'm kind of sorry that that wasn't like what I had expected, or I've never really experienced things quite like that. Like one thing's for sure we will never be back to Bend Oregon. I literally like said that, and within less than six months, we were living in Bend Oregon, so it was kind of crazy, yeah.

Speaker 8: 55:08

No, it's two weeks after I retired, so that's a lot of transition.

Speaker 6: 55:14

Quickly, man Very quickly, and you guys did not have kids at this point. No no kids yeah.

Speaker 7: 55:19

Yeah, and we couldn't, we, we couldn't really get pregnant, so we kind of thought we were just like I was. I was again, I was a wag, remember, like I had a lot of free time. I was like I would love to get pregnant and have kids but, um, it just wasn't in the cards for us, um, until we, we bought the gym, that all of that transpired january 1st of 2020, and then it's a great time to start.

Speaker 7: 55:45

Perfect timing, yeah, perfect timing yep, and then literally the we get the get the mandate that we have to lock our doors for covid. So we're like, oh, let's take. My parents had just gotten a house in Palm Springs, so we're like we can't do business, let's go to Palm Springs you know for however long this is, and wait it out, and a week into Palm Springs I start feeling kind of funky. I take a pregnancy test. We're pregnant, like wow.

Speaker 7: 56:13

Okay, so end of march 2020 yeah, we find out we're pregnant and then a month later we find that we're having twins. So, and again, it's still covet. So you can't like. Our gym was I don't. I can't remember when we could be open. But all that to say, we were not making any money like, and, if anything, we were getting more and more in debt because, luckily, our landlords were like you don't have to like pay, like we'll just pause it, but you'll still have we're like well, catch up yeah, you'll pay us back.

Speaker 6: 56:42

So I'm just, I'm like we're, we're in for it yeah, I can only imagine like massive transition, probably like this quest of like identity, like what the, the, you know, out of sport, move into a very white demographic, you know like you know, I have probably like four African-American buddies in town and there's, you know, like you, just there's not a lot of black dudes here.

Speaker 8: 57:10

Yeah, that's fact.

Speaker 6: 57:11

You know, like so, like that brings in a whole other dynamic and I don't know if that's what you meant. The experience you had, yes, yeah, it was racism. Yeah, I mean sorry bro. Yeah, no, it's all good. I grew up in North Idaho, I don't know if you know about that.

Speaker 8: 57:28

Yeah, I've been there. Probably I was a minimum population for cities that I go.

Speaker 6: 57:35

Yeah, I have a minimum population for cities that I go to. But you know, in all honesty, like you know, then a new owner, business owner you guys had never owned a business. We didn't know what we were doing At a time that requires, like you know, your patrons are, you know, like in person, right, you can't. So you guys were that's a lot, that's a lot to work through and strategize, yeah, and then a new pregnancy with twins. That ended up going on to be kind of a complex not I don't know if complicated is the right word- but like you guys had a yeah, I mean yeah yeah, what was uh you're?

Speaker 6: 58:12

you had twin boys. Right, they're four now yeah, four almost four and a half. And they were born? What age?

Speaker 7: 58:19

26 weeks they're born 29 weeks, 29 weeks. Hospitalized at 26. Born at 29.

Speaker 6: 58:25

Yeah, the I forget which episode on your show that you guys talk about that, but you, you guys share that experience really well. You know, like we, I could relate to that again too, because my first, my oldest son, was diagnosed with the cyst in his brain when my wife was seven months pregnant.

Speaker 6: 58:43

So we were pretty convinced we were going to have a baby born with hydrocephalus, which is, you know, like a and you know, like praise god, he was born with the cyst in his head, but like that, he had to have brain surgery when he was nine months old goodness but like I, I could relate with that. You know you are on. It's like jumping off a cliff you're just going for the ride man and you just hope and pray that, like it, works out in the way that you think's best yeah, right yeah and yeah, so that's a lot.

Speaker 7: 59:18

It definitely like that. It solidified our relationship and like our trust in God through that. And I like look back on that being kind of a cornerstone of us, kind of looking at each other and being like you know, no matter what, I love you and it's going to be okay. You know, no matter what the outcome is, and we were very lucky to to have all the miracles happen that day, because there were some very, very scary nights and a lot of unknowns. But it definitely like solidified now, like there's so, so much stuff that will like happen with the gym or with life and everything, and it's like oh, this is nothing, like this is absolutely nothing, and it's like we really created this like bond through those like hard moments that it truly is unbreakable.

Speaker 6: 1:00:06

Yeah, yeah, it's amazing, man, and now those little boys have a little sister. What are your kids' names?

Speaker 8: 1:00:14

So the boys are Silas and Isaiah and our daughter is Ava Ava?

Speaker 6: 1:00:17

yeah, like it dude.

Speaker 7: 1:00:19

What are your kids' names?

Speaker 6: 1:00:21

Holden, Lila and Levi. Oh nice, oh, they're cute. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, man, I can't believe how fast it's gone. That's what everybody says. I mean that sounds so cliche. Everybody says that you know. But I remember moving back because I went to medical school at OHSU in Portland and I remember I lived in Bend before we moved to Portland.

Speaker 6: 1:00:43

My wife and I got married um and then, in a new environment, redefine to some degree I I enjoyed getting married and moving outside of bend right away and just being with that person and like, depending on them, yeah, yeah and just like you're. You're just, you know. I remember mourning the loss of bend and this, like you know, bachelor's snowboard lifestyle that I had, you know like, but there was something pretty unique and um like real about starting life and like starting this next level of a relationship and in an area that you're out of you're just, it's out of your comfort zone yeah and it goes back to like you, you know it's like getting hurt, you know it's like some things you can only really do when you're uncomfortable, because you can't.

Speaker 6: 1:01:43

There's the reality there's no other context is going to allow you to like grow in those ways. So you guys weathered COVID I mean Lyft studio, fitness studio is you know didn't go out of business.

Speaker 5: 1:01:57

So that's like well, I mean a lot of businesses went out, a lot of gyms went out and, like you, start thinking about uh, uh, small brand new owners.

Speaker 6: 1:02:08

That that I, you know. I mean no offense. But if I was a betting guy back then, knowing all the established bins, gyms that went out of business here, like what do you? Why do you guys think you pulled through? What do you think you know?

Speaker 8: 1:02:22

I always think about this yeah. And like, and I think we just didn't give up. I mean, we just were so naive, all we knew was hard work, and so that's what we did every single day.

Speaker 7: 1:02:35

We were so naive that we didn't. I was just learning like yeah, like PNL, you know, like what, like thank God, hope that your hard work is going to pay off.

Speaker 7: 1:02:52

Like you hope that you're good enough, people, that people want to be a part of your community, when you can create like, when your community will be open and you just and I mean again everything was shut down. So it's not like we're the only thing that can't have our doors open, like literally everyone was in the same boat. The hardest part was it of it was like I would say, the end of like 2022, when COVID finally left.

Speaker 7: 1:03:18

Then you are just left with like oh crap Like and and there's all these people that that need like, like luckily, like what was to our advantages. People were like, okay, now I know how much I need fitness, now I know how much I need people like everyone's coming out of like their dark house and like back into the world and it's like, dang okay, we need, we need you and it's like, all right, like we were, we were ready, ready to to go and to give people that safe place, so it like it doesn't mean it was easy but, it did kind of like make a circle.

Speaker 6: 1:03:53

and yeah, and I think people I know I came out of COVID with a different appreciation of the value that exercise and fitness plays in your life. You know, like it, just like a lot of people did with a lot of different areas of life, you know. But yeah, like there is such a massive component of fitness that plays into, like, mental health, that is again like there there's no, there's no alternatives to that.

Speaker 6: 1:04:22

You can't fill that with something else. And I go through seasons. Dude, I'm in that season right now Like I've been a lazy sack of shit since like since, like I I go. I got into this sport in the summer and I'll do it through, basically like september, october, and then november hits and I'm just dropped off dude, so bad.

Speaker 8: 1:04:41

Yeah, sitting down a lot.

Speaker 6: 1:04:43

I'm in the same boat honestly, it's like this, it's this, and then part of me is like I wonder if my body actually enjoys these moments, these months of just kind of rest. Yeah, but my, my brain doesn't yeah because my anxiety goes through the roof.

Speaker 8: 1:04:57

Yeah, I've been that same kind of space like the last six months, like dealing with like just business stress yeah and like I don't let stress get to me, but it definitely affects my body, yeah, and so we're in a space like kind of working against the stress and like the dad bod and all this stuff, yeah, and it's just amazing like how moving your body helps your mind and brain, you're looking pretty svelte bro. I appreciate it.

Speaker 8: 1:05:17

Yeah, then we're all black, that's my uh yeah, no, but I've been, uh, just really focused on my nutrition and just like moving my body every single day so he also finally asked his wife to help him out I did, I helped myself yeah, he for a little workout plan, a little diet guidance, finally it only took him how?

Speaker 8: 1:05:41

11 years 10 years love you well. It's just that thing like I'm always giving fitness to other people, that like sometimes I don't even do it to myself, which is a very hard space to be in sometimes.

Speaker 6: 1:05:53

I'm going to go ahead and say I bet fitness isn't the only thing that you don't like do for yourself before you do for others.

Speaker 2: 1:06:01

Absolutely. You know, like you're a server man, that's your heart.

Speaker 8: 1:06:04

you know Like I get it and I love serving yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:06:07

I know you do. Yeah, it's cool man. You're good people, cornelius.

Speaker 6: 1:06:11

I'm stoked that you guys are in here, One thing that you guys talked about that I thought would be fun to talk about too was your sobriety that you've kind of stumbled across and you guys, from listening to you, you both kind of have a unique relationship with alcohol. Listening to you, you both kind of have a unique relationship with alcohol. You know it sounds and again correct me but, korn, you're kind of like have the personality where you can kind of kind of come and go and less of a like daily dependency, I guess, or or less prone to developing that.

Speaker 6: 1:06:43

Absolutely. And then, hannah, I could relate with you, cause I quit drinking in 2021 when I was 41, for kind of just like, yeah, this isn't trending in the right direction, you know, like it was a coping mechanism, you know, and I put a lot of thought into this because there was a season in my life where I didn't drink at all, like back in the day, snowboarding you're focused on your sport, you know. And then when I moved back to Bend and had this new like okay, now I have two kids in a community that I associate with, just a different season of life.

Speaker 6: 1:07:17

And I have this professional job that, like, was the first two years of being a PA, because, you know, becoming a physician assistant is like a crash course in medical school. The difference is you just don't go on to do a residency, you're kind of like your first job is kind of like all right, go. And it's like oh boy that's pressure, oh man.

Speaker 6: 1:07:39

You know, like when you're dealing with other people's wellbeing and I was in orthopedic so it's like you're not killing people usually, but it can you can screw people's life you know, I mean you've been through it you know, like um, so yeah, I mean, I remember that stress and just you know it, it didn't take much.

Speaker 6: 1:07:56

It's like ah, man, this like 8% alcohol beer feels good being the week, and like when there was one, all of a sudden there was like three, you know, and and then you know, I mean I'm also like in in medical school, you study, um, you know community health and and uh, um, I can't think of the word, but uh, you know just disease and population and alcoholism. Like, I'm of the opinion, and I think now the data is starting to support it that central oregon has a pretty high rate of alcohol use, very high per capita right and within any kind of given population there's going to be people for one degree, many different reasons are predisposed to kind of those kind of personality genetic markers that grab you and get you into that, and then it, man, it's a, it's, you know, clawing your way back out of that routine, even if it doesn't feel like alcoholism but like have you guys talked about?

Speaker 6: 1:08:56

just like, not having a drink at a party is a totally different new experience. But it's hard to say no at first it was for me because you're you lose this like identity comfort, yeah like oh, I'll just kind of, you know, turn the volume down on this social anxiety for a little bit, right, you don't realize like the hold it has on you while you're drinking. Yeah.

Speaker 8: 1:09:17

And then you stop and you're like oh, this is really going to be a lot harder than I thought, like saying no and putting yourself in spaces where you normally would have a couple drinks or a glass of wine or a beer or whatever. And so it takes like retraining of your brain how to say no. But we found that once you say no, like it just trains that discipline muscle, yeah, and like you just come so much more stronger in like different areas, which is like for me, the biggest benefit of not drinking. Like I know there's like the alcohol is not good in the body but for my brain to say no to something and like to have that yes factor and like that strength in myself, like that's now applying to like all aspects of my life and like you're right, like I feel like I could drink tomorrow and be fine. But it's just like that self-discipline of the no that I'm finding the most valuable part.

Speaker 8: 1:10:10

To know that I'm finding the most valuable part because you know, when I was playing football I did drink a lot to like help cope, like in the NFL and like deal with the stress and the pressures and like the things not going my way. But you know I got kids. Now I think about and like what models I want to behave and like what do I want to show them and what do I want them to believe in and like how do I want them to see dad, and so, like, the more I can like lean into that, the more like makes that know a lot easier now. Yeah, but definitely was a process to get to this point. Yeah, no doubt, and my sugar intake went through the roof.

Speaker 6: 1:10:40

That's what you're saying tell people a little bit about your kind of transition with alcohol use, because it sounds like a little different experience yeah, no, I, I very much knew that I liked alcohol a lot and um, through different seasons it was a different it, it, it.

Speaker 7: 1:10:57

There was times where it was my best friend, you know, it was like what I turned to I knew was always there and um, I don't love social settings, so it was, it was my, you know, my buddy, I'd bring my drinks with me and I knew everything was going to be fine. But, um, cornelius, like taking the leap of faith and really doing it. There's no chance that I I could have done this by myself. I that's how like much of a stronghold and how much my personality, just like I'm all or nothing.

Speaker 7: 1:11:32

Like so um like when Cornelius, he was like I'm going to do it. And I'm like, do you actually mean this? Because if I do this with you, I'm, I'm done, like I'm done, done. And you can't play with my emotions and go back and forth, cause if I go back, it's probably going to be worse than where I am right now. And so I cried, I cried like a whole day and cause I knew I was like this, I'm grieving, this is like a big part of me and um it, it hands down one of the best decisions I've made, because as you do it, the longer you do it, the more you realize how much of a stronghold it had on you. Yeah.

Speaker 7: 1:12:11

And then it's so empowering, like what were we doing? We were doing something the other day. We're like can you imagine? Like, oh, it was just, we were out like date night eating a steak. Like Cornelius and I in the NFL it was like a weekly occurrence we go to a steakhouse, get a bottle of wine, a big steak we'd share. It was just kind of our thing. That made us like happy in a in a time where, like there was a lot of like uh, hard times I would say. And so we were out, we went to date night, got a steak and we ordered like two um, non-alcoholic mocktails and they were great.

Speaker 7: 1:12:52

But we just kind of looked at each other and laughed because we were like you. If you would have told me that Hannah Edison would be able to be in these. You know, it's Friday night, it's it's late at night, we're eating a steak, like all of these things just trigger Hannah wine, hannah wine. And like I'm happily sitting there drinking my mocktail, smiling, laughing, like enjoying life. It's it. It in my mind, it's a miracle that I, I am where I am, but it it is weird the further away you get from it.

Speaker 7: 1:13:26

Like I don't crave alcohol anymore. I don't. There's times where I do want it, depending on the social setting, but that I choose like a different option and it's like 15 minutes and I'm I'm okay, like I could pass the 15 minutes and then we're going to, we're smooth sailing for the rest of the night. But um it, it was hard at first. And yeah, my aunt Buffy, who was um on there, she was one of my first conversations. She went sober. I don't know how many years now, but her and I have very similar personalities and so I knew I was like, if she can do it, she's still doing it. I can do this and I can stay strong and it's going to be okay and she's still so fun. You know all these lies that we tell ourselves I'm not fun, I I'm not gonna be invited anywhere, I'm not gonna. You know x, y and z and before I'm like I almost might be more fun now maybe well, it depends the day yeah love you I like to go to bed early, that's right.

Speaker 7: 1:14:24

You won't see like 1 am hannah. And that's like no more.

Speaker 6: 1:14:31

Yeah, I, I gave in this winter like one of my favorite things to do or to have back in the day was like a pretty good mixed cocktail on like a snowy December night. You know something about it. Almost like I could say the same thing about smoking a cigarette. There's some, I mean. I mean I, you know, like all my friends smoked in high school. So, like I know, smoking in 2025 is totally like no one smokes, right, that's canceled.

Speaker 8: 1:14:59

Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6: 1:15:01

But to this day, there's something that just like the, like I don't know it just brings you. It's like a time machine.

Speaker 7: 1:15:07

Yes, the smell Nostalgic, I don't know, it just brings you it's like a time machine, smell, Nostalgic.

Speaker 6: 1:15:10

But I had a. I haven't smoked in a long time, but I did have the first drink and I didn't enjoy it. I didn't even get anything out of it except just like yeah, it wasn't worth it you know like it. Just it was kind of like a, it was a bummer to break the streak, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8: 1:15:25

I had that same experience, like I stopped drinking in May and then Halloween, like saw my high school buddies and had a couple of cocktails and I was just like just kind of waiting for that, like oh, I missed this, oh I, this is nice, oh this is. I just remember waking up at like four o'clock and just had like a slight headache and I was like I don't even like questioning if my head hurts because I drank last night and so it just kind of doubled down on like yeah, I don't need to drink anymore.

Speaker 6: 1:15:52

Yeah, and I'm impressed too, Cause, like I, I, I like sugar definitely kind of played a role in filling that kind of you know, I mean there's, there's definitely some physiology there you know, I mean all the sugars that your bodies are used to metabolizing with alcohol for all the years, like to cut that off, like your body's saying you feel it, so you fill it with you know, high fructose corn syrup or Sparrow or Nancy Peas.

Speaker 7: 1:16:22

Or Bonta.

Speaker 8: 1:16:22

Bonta, all the cinnamon rolls in town.

Speaker 6: 1:16:25

Yeah, yeah, I, you know there's this. I forget who, what you know. There's a saying what triggers you, teaches you um. I have this new one, like what makes you kind of because the other thing that personally and I've known a lot of people in this town with the legalization marijuana, that's easy to like get a little edible and like have just a little micro buzz and like it kind of fills it, like checks the box in a different way yeah but that there's something under all of that that I think is good to kind of really explore, and that's different for everybody, but like, so now my new thing is what, what, whatever stress is kind of pushing me towards that like want to cope with this substance.

Speaker 6: 1:17:10

Like, okay, let's, let's explore what this?

Speaker 7: 1:17:12

is. You know it definitely like means something's like not sustainable you know it's like that's our first when we're have itching to like go use something that takes us out of reality. It's like what, what are we trying to escape from? And let's acknowledge that because that's not sustainable. You can't live in that, that like mindset for too long before you just get burnt out yeah, I mean, everything has a trade-off.

Speaker 6: 1:17:39

Right, every choice has a trade-off. Some are good, some are bad, you know, but yeah, I mean, when it and again to your point corn like, the more you have, the more people that you feel and have a sense of responsibility for the more of those, the more that it's just selfishness.

Speaker 8: 1:17:58

Yes, when it comes down to it, yeah, you know, or it can be, and I definitely challenge myself to like, instead of like needing escape, like how can I go inward, yeah yeah, and like channel that energy to like become productive and like make a kind of effective solution to like I don't know, not let it spiral in me, but like how can I empower somebody to support me? Or like how can I build a system to better the operations or something to like turn to a benefit rather than like a negative thing that just affects me and just turn my brain off?

Speaker 6: 1:18:34

Yeah. Or like turn to a benefit rather than like a negative thing that just affects me, just to turn my brain off. Yeah, or even that app, just name what it is. Yeah, you know, that's. What I noticed is like you put a name on this emotion you're feeling, you're identifying what it is rather than trying to, you know, overshadow it with some other sort of experience. Right, absolutely so. Yeah, that's. It's wise living, dude, it's wise living. It's all these gray hairs I got up here.

Speaker 8: 1:18:54

You got nothing, bro, man, I got nothing.

Speaker 6: 1:18:57

Are you playing basketball? Not, yet, I'm trying to.

Speaker 8: 1:19:00

That's what you're saying pickleball, though I'm trying to get my uh, you're dude.

Speaker 6: 1:19:03

Pickleball is a bad mood, bro. You think so? I, I know so tell us so crazy.

Speaker 8: 1:19:10

Three months ago, I was saying the same thing yeah, no like um.

Speaker 6: 1:19:16

Your knees and hips are not gonna like you I'm in the studio I got you I I I see a lot of people at my job you most of them are usually over the age of 60 that come in constant pickleball injury overuse injuries. You know, I tell people it's geriatric. It's like the equivalent of geriatric CrossFit.

Speaker 8: 1:19:36

Like the amount of patience it puts out. Yeah, there needs to be some cross training. That's the biggest problem is like you should not be just like going forward back, side to side, like you have to strengthen those muscles or, over time, as you see, like things will snap and these will not be good yeah that story you guys shared about that couple on palm springs.

Speaker 6: 1:19:55

Why are you bringing that up?

Speaker 8: 1:19:57

I'm still salty, I know. That's why I brought it up everybody should go listen.

Speaker 6: 1:20:02

I don't know which episode it is of the hustle art of hustle, but yeah, I don't know, these two get they get. Um'm not going to say you engage with some sandbaggers.

Speaker 8: 1:20:13

It sounds like we thought it was a friendly competition. They set us up. There's some 5.0 pickleball players. You know, I'm a 2.0 now, so I'm building my skill set.

Speaker 6: 1:20:27

I never thought I'd see the day where there were multi-level pickleball studios or courts, courts and bend or yeah but and they're all packed and waitlisted.

Speaker 8: 1:20:35

I'm like I believe it.

Speaker 6: 1:20:36

I can't even squeeze in no games here I mean, I know at least three or four people that have put courts in at their house yeah yeah, you know, like gonnor, the days of tennis courts and basketball courts, now itball.

Speaker 7: 1:20:48

Pickleball all the way.

Speaker 6: 1:20:50

Well cool you guys. I don't know what else should we talk about. You got you're raising kids. You're doing it. What's on the horizon? Like? You got goals for 2025?

Speaker 8: 1:21:00

Yeah, part of the biggest thing is like we have some pretty big business goals. Yeah, I think, just making more of an impact in the community. Yeah, just reaching more adults for, again, the pickleballers kind of getting them out there. Yeah, getting them nice and strong, but youth kind of is our biggest thing right now.

Speaker 6: 1:21:16

Yeah.

Speaker 8: 1:21:16

Mine personally just trying to affect the youth in the city and create a safe space for them to for mentally and fitness aspects. So I really want to like tap into the youth more yeah, and like be a positive light, because they have so many pressures and so many distractions and they gotta filter a lot of noise. So it's like I know how hard that can be as an athlete and I couldn't imagine being a student athlete in today's world.

Speaker 6: 1:21:44

So what do you think the biggest difference is Social media, internet for sure.

Speaker 8: 1:21:49

Like I think I got Instagram in college, definitely not high school. And so, like you know, with that with the algorithm, with NIL, with like you should be doing this by this age, like that is not fun. And so just trying to build a platform for them to like succeed and like understand that, like all the pressure is not on them and that they can control their destiny, so just figuring out ways we can do that, that lift and myself and hannah with our family and our marriage, and just trying to get outside more and just help people yeah, you just want to be a safe, safe place like for um, right now it's our gym, like inside our, our walls.

Speaker 7: 1:22:31

It is like more adults. We haven't really had much experience at all with the youth but, cornelius, is he's really your mind, like you got to focus on your mind and you know gaining the correct muscles to run fast and you know all your nutrition, kind of the whole, the whole package to make youth like healthy and you know perform if, if they want to perform at you know higher levels.

Speaker 8: 1:23:08

But just just all in all like creating that like safe place where they yeah they feel seen and like appreciated yeah a place where they can put their phones down. Yeah, like, just like, become stronger mentally and physically.

Speaker 6: 1:23:25

Totally. My son's a big swimmer and he's he got a pretty awesome swim scholarship next year and and, uh, we talk a lot about like your identity as an athlete and what I'm hearing, you guys and I have a hunch like what's behind this is getting getting young people real comfortable with their identity as themselves as themselves.

Speaker 6: 1:23:51

Because that's one thing I never learned when I was young. Like you, my identity was snowboarder, you know. And then that shifts and then you have to like, hey, what's my identity now? You know, and like I just think there's a better way to go about that. You know, if you can define who you are young, then then you have your baseline and then everything else kind of comes in and out of that. But you're the all the kind of angst that goes with the process of you know, learning who you are.

Speaker 8: 1:24:17

Yeah, it's not easy.

Speaker 6: 1:24:19

It's not easy, but it's. I guess the sooner you can start that process, the better.

Speaker 8: 1:24:25

Yeah, you know, yeah, I started working with a fifth grader and like just by mental performance and I was so blown away about his capacity of like understanding mental health and emotions and the desire to be great in the pursuit of greatness. So I was like if this kid at fifth grade can think this high level like, if we teach him like how to deal with adversity, how to overcome hard things and just to build perseverance, like he won't need like drugs and alcohol one day to like numb out his feelings. You know, like these things that I've turned to, these things I know people have like used to cope with. So it's like that's why I want to go to the youth and like teach him how to overcome things, like how to deal with injuries right. How to deal with like not playing, how to deal with hard coaches or being a better teammate, or why academics matter right. Like I only got you as far as I did because my dad he said you're a student before an athlete and I saw so many athletes fail Because they didn't have that like academic mindset.

Speaker 8: 1:25:28

And you know, my brother's a lawyer. My sister works high up in the state of California. My brother has his own business, own businesses and, like you know that part of our brain needs to be worked and right now there's a huge emphasis on athletics because how much money is going there. But one day that game will stop and that whistle will blow and you will have no more competition. So, who are you behind the jersey? And like I want that to coincide with the journey of being an athlete for people, because I think that it's going to help them elevate their game and help them be a better person in society, a better contributor to their household, to their brothers and sisters, to their parents, to their classrooms. And like we can help like fight all these, like you know, bad things going on shootings, drugs, alcohol. Like we can help build more positive life in our youth. So, yeah, that's where I want to go yeah, I I'm excited to watch you.

Speaker 6: 1:26:23

Man, I don't have a doubt in my mind that you're gonna, you're gonna succeed.

Speaker 8: 1:26:28

Yeah, hannah's ready for another project, yeah, yeah, yeah, hannah's great. Hannah's a very gracious partner and teammate and yeah, you guys are.

Speaker 6: 1:26:38

You guys are a rad couple. Like I appreciate, um, what you're putting out there for our community and beyond. Like, like I said earlier, I think it's it's it's authentic and it's it's really good. It's good real life experiences and just you know, maybe you learn something, maybe you just identify, maybe you think, ah, I'm not the only one that's thought that or done that. I mean so, like I applaud you guys in that level of transparency, cause I don't know, I mean I've learned like it's throwing stuff out into the world, like you're vulnerable right and like, um, yeah, it's, it's an interesting, it's something I'm always thinking about, like I never thought I'd have a podcast yeah, it's not my

Speaker 6: 1:27:20

style, you know I'm like you like I I worry too much about what people think about me, but I've learned that like the only way to get better at that is to put stuff out there where people might think less than ideal stuff about you.

Speaker 8: 1:27:35

Life goes on man yeah you know so being an athlete, I realized that like people are going to talk about you anyway, so you might as well do what you want and like have the confidence to do it, because I don't know, I'm from you have one life and like try all the things, do do all the things, have all the fun, make the mistakes that's another thing. Like failing, like I wouldn't be where I'm at without failing.

Speaker 6: 1:27:57

Yeah.

Speaker 8: 1:27:58

And failing over and failing at a high level. I'm like, but that comes with trying new things and trying hard things and being uncomfortable and like taking that risk, like just like going on a business, like when I say I had no idea how to run a business I had no idea. But something was like eh might as well try it. What's the worst that can happen, you know.

Speaker 7: 1:28:15

A lot.

Speaker 8: 1:28:18

Hey, well, here we are five years later, so it's just like, yeah, man, raising a family in Bend Oregon, it's not a cheap place to live live, you know. Live or raise a family, yeah, you know, let's play this community's expensive.

Speaker 6: 1:28:33

Yeah, yeah, the hustle is real man.

Speaker 8: 1:28:34

Hustle is real, yeah, so he's gonna keep hustling 2025 and beyond anything.

Speaker 6: 1:28:39

We didn't talk about that we should. I know you got to jam out of here soon, but what's? What's the subject of your next recording, or do you even know? Yeah we just recorded two.

Speaker 8: 1:28:50

We talked about our son having cerebral palsy okay, and rededicating yourself to greatness like mentorship and and breath work, yeah, yeah breath work.

Speaker 6: 1:29:02

Yeah, we stayed for the first time last night, nice I recommend it have you done it before a little bit. It's something I want to learn about, but I am. I am on the cold plunge. My friend like as soon as I can afford my own, that's what I want to build in my, at my house. But one of my best friends has a really nice setup and I just poach it all.

Speaker 8: 1:29:23

Nice, nice, it's a game changer.

Speaker 6: 1:29:25

Huh, oh man. Well, it comes back to being uncomfortable. Yeah, you know, like there's something about sitting in cold water for two and a half, three minutes. That, like you know and without sounding like other people that say this all the time. But if you can do that, it kind of like it just recalibrates your day, you know. So the next thing that might stress you out or, you know, create some angst, Like, if nothing else, it's like making your bed first thing out of the morning you've already got a victory under your belt, you know.

Speaker 6: 1:29:54

So like, just keep that momentum going and uh and it, yeah, I love it, I'm addicted.

Speaker 7: 1:30:00

Same. It's kind of back to that like my personality with alcohol, like that addictive thing.

Speaker 6: 1:30:05

For sure.

Speaker 7: 1:30:06

Cold punch has been one of the things that it's like it to me. It's I wake up and I do it like it's just and I'm I'm addicted to it. I'm addicted to the way like it makes me feel and empowering it is that like, yeah, I can check that off my list of things. I, I love it. I tell everyone, if you haven't done it like you got it's so it's, I think, fun.

Speaker 6: 1:30:27

Yeah, do you guys have a cold plunge at?

Speaker 8: 1:30:29

Lyft no, we don't no at your house. Yeah, we got some in my garage.

Speaker 6: 1:30:32

Yeah, I saw there's some new businesses popping up in town that are very focused around this stuff, yeah.

Speaker 8: 1:30:38

It's kind of cool because I've been doing contrast therapies since I was like 14, 15.

Speaker 6: 1:30:42

I bet With sport to like call it like general public.

Speaker 8: 1:30:50

Yeah, like seeing just the people have the benefits and just like screaming from the top of the roof how well it works.

Speaker 6: 1:30:52

But yeah, it's that microdosing of like pain, that's like yeah, there's something that you know there's a certain type of dividend that suffering pays and other things don't you know, it's just the reality of life yeah you guys are awesome. Thanks for taking time out of your day.

Speaker 8: 1:31:09

We appreciate you. We'll have to do this again. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6: 1:31:11

Yeah, man, it's fun.

Speaker 8: 1:31:13

Yeah, appreciate you, man, thank you.

Speaker 6: 1:31:14

Take us out. I want to hear you guys do your thing.

Speaker 8: 1:31:17

Come on All right, y'all Wrapping up another episode. We appreciate y'all for tuning in. We out.

Speaker 5: 1:31:37

Peace. Hey guys, thanks for listening to Ben Magazine's A Circling Podcast.

Speaker 6: 1:31:46

Hey guys, thanks for listening to Ben Magazine's A Circling Podcast. Make sure to visit benmagazinecom and learn about all the outdoor adventures in our area, as well as upcoming featured community events, local artist profiles, our dining guide and more. Remember, enter promo code PODCAST at checkout for your $5 annual subscription. At checkout for your $5 annual subscription. Our theme song was written by Carl Perkins and performed by Aaron Colbaker and Aaron Zerflu of the Aarons. I'd like to say a special thank you to all of those who participated in the making of this episode, as it wouldn't be the same without your contribution and, as always, I appreciate your trust. Hey, go find Art of Hustle podcast wherever you get your podcast from, and catch up with Korn and Hannah as they share their journey of personal transformation, overcoming challenges and creating impact. Lastly, if you know someone who you think would enjoy today's episode, please share it with them today. Hey, thanks for your time. Central Oregon, get outside, we'll see you out there. And remember, the health of our community relies on us.