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Oregon Media.

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We were making waves out of snow and having basically a surfing contest. And the aloha came from like when I started surfing when I was young, before there was any kind of professional surfing or professional surfing events. The surf contests were kind of a a celebration, a gathering of all the different surf clubs, you know, the different families would all come to support whoever you know they were supporting in the event. And so it was a real celebration of Aloha. And it wasn't like this, you know, dog eat dog thing. It was uh come, we have this event, somebody's gonna win, you know, the other guys aren't gonna win, but afterwards we'll all eat and we'll have a good time. And that was kind of when I explained that to Andy, he went, yeah, that's that's what we want. That's how this event should be. And you know, in a nutshell, basically that's how it came about.

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On this episode of Ben Magazine's Circling Podcast, we present part one of a series highlighting the history of the Jerry Lopez Big Wave Challenge. Now celebrating its 14th year bachelor, this annually held event is a true local staple. I sit down with Jerry, a longtime friend, an event coordinator and dos host to discuss the evolution of the big wave. From an idea born on the Northwest lift to the iconic surf-inspired snowboard event it is today, we dive into how the event remains rooted in the Aloha spirit, centered on the core principles of flow, family, and fun. Is this the fourth 13th year? 14th. 14th.

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How many events have we had? Fourteen. Okay, so then it's the 16th year because we lost two for COVID. COVID. Holy cow, it's been that long.

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Yeah, I'm actually time as a way of going by. As we were talking about upstairs, I thought it would kind of be fun to, you know, learn more about you, Jerry. Obviously, a lot of people know who you are and your story is is global. And but I think, as Ann said, there's a lot of people that have moved to bin that maybe don't know the story of why the big wave challenge exists. Um, and then really kind of diving a little bit deeper into kind of like the essence of what the aloha spirit is. I mean, you've you've said from the very beginning, I remember when you first started doing these, you know, it was it was to bring the aloha spirit from the ocean to the mountains. I think there's a lot of people that maybe think aloha is a greeting, or but it's a lot deeper than that. Um and I've it's been fun for me to dive into what is like what are kind of some of the core principles of aloha? And what I've concluded, it it's not really something you say, it's more of something you practice.

SPEAKER_05: 4:27

Um you know the thing about here, Oregon, um, because I'm a newcomer, you know, I've only been here what 33 years now. When we first came, it was with Grubby and his wife and Tony and I on Harleys, and we drove across the border in um Lakeview, coming up through Althuras, and um we stopped at a gas station in Lakeview, and I just remember a guy going, Hey, how are you doing? in such a way that I went, Wow, do I know this guy? And you know, I thought about it and he gave me gas and you know, we talked a little. And I came away from that and went, wow, that's actually just genuine friendliness. I went, holy cow. And we encountered that pretty much everywhere we stopped in the state of Oregon, and it was our all of us our first time in Oregon, and that really stuck with me that wow, a lot of aloha here, you know, these people are just friendly, and that's a big part of aloha, the spirit of aloha as well. It's just that the genuine friendliness that you can have with a stranger. And um you know, the whole uh concept of the big wave challenge event came about um at Andy Goggins, you know, back then, I guess it would have been fifteen years ago or so.

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Um so we're 2010, which is you know, it's hard to believe that's 15 years ago.

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I know. Especially now. But um we were riding up the chair lift together, and he's a surfer, you know, and and he was the head of marketing at Mount Bachelor at the time. Yeah. So, you know, I thought it was pretty cool riding around with the head of marketing, yeah. It's a big deal. And um, you know, but I had got to know a lot of the people that worked on the mountain. Um and so Andy and I are riding up the chair on Northwest, and I point out this win lip feature that more or less is always in the same spot. Yeah, and I go, that one is called Alamol, which I named after one of my favorite surf spots called Ala Moana. And Andy goes, Oh. And I started pointing out, otherwise, see that windlit line up there? That's the pipeline. And he goes, Because he was the head of marketing. We should have an event. And I went, What? And he goes, Yeah, we could have a cool event. And so we went down and we talked to Tom Lomax, who was the mountain manager at the time. And Tom listened, you know, because he's a surfer as well. He listened to what we had to say and he went, that's not gonna work. Why don't we just get the snow cats and build a bunch of waves right here?

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Oh, Andy wanted to run it off the natural train? Yeah, that's a fun idea, too, man.

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But um, Tom goes, yeah, we can just make waves and then you can have your event. And so, you know, that's how it came to be that we were making waves out of snow and having basically a surfing contest. And the aloha came from because in the beginning, this was like when I started surfing when I was young, before there was any kind of professional surfing or professional surfing events. The surf contests were kind of a celebration, a gathering of all the different surf clubs, you know, the different families would all come to support their whoever you know they were supporting in the event. And so it was a real celebration of Aloha. And it wasn't like this, you know, dog eat dog thing. It was uh come, we have this event, somebody's gonna win, you know, the other guys aren't gonna win, but afterwards we'll all eat and we'll have a good time. And that was kind of when I explained that to Andy, he went, yeah, that's that's what we want.

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Yeah.

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That's how this event should be. And you know, in a nutshell, basically that's how it came about.

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What you're describing, kind of that everybody came together, it reminds me of some of the early like snowboard competitions and and even not the competitions, just like even Mount Hood had that kind of vibe back in the day, you know, where it was there was more just this collective like energy, and everybody was hyped to see the other person succeed, you know, and um yeah, so uh I can smell the sunscreen and the burned cheeks. But I my I've always got that same vibe at the big wave. I guess that was my point, is it's it's way less about who wins and way more about how you're kind of expressing yourself and the creativity that you're exhibiting, I guess. So this year, as I think with a lot of years, there's a beneficiary of the big wave. You know, that's part of the spirit of it, is it's not for profit. It's designed to create a really good experience, raise money, and then donate that money to someone or something. Talk a little bit about kind of those early years with the big wave and and who kind of the object uh or the beneficiaries were.

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Well, that was something that Andy and I discussed, you know, because we were gonna have an entry fee just to make it um, you know, people seem to appreciate things more when they have to pay for them rather than when it's free. And but then, you know, w what are we gonna do with this money? And so Andy goes, Well let's f figure out, you know, a beneficiary f and so the first year I think we chose the um Surfrider Foundation, which has been, you know, a long time advocate of saving beaches and you know doing good stuff. Environmental stewardship. Yeah. Yeah, man. And you know, Patagonia was has been the presenting sponsor since the beginning, and that's kind of their whole, you know, story there. I mean so every year then Annie and I would go, Oh, okay, last year was Surfrider. How about this year? What who are we gonna do? And then pow, you know, protect our winners. Um we did a couple of years with the local um Deschutes River Conservative groups. Yeah, you know, there's several, yeah, because um one of them was a gal that Tony and I used to do yoga with at the groove studio, and I thought it was her organization, and it turned out she goes, no, no, that's not mine. This is mine, that's somebody else's. So anyway, we the next year we gave, you know, to the river here in town. And then Pat has always been Malinowski has always been a big part of the event because you know he um evolved into becoming one of the top terrain park and half pipe builders. And Pat and I go back a long ways because when we first came to town in the winter of '92, um we went to a snowboard shop called North Shore.

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That's where I first met Pat.

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Pat and James and Rev and those guys were all there, and they it was really funny. You know, the shop was called North Shore, and I walked in and they all went, Vince! And I looked up on the TV and they were looping the North Shore movie, you know, and I went, Oh god. And um anyway, you know, that's where I met Pat and we became friends, and you know, we did a lot of stuff together over the years, and then when you know he came down with his condition, and you know, part of that stuff was him building the the big wave course. Um when he you know got ill.

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Yeah, I mean, just so for yeah, so people for listeners um who may not know Pat Milandowski's story, Pat is an icon in the snowboard industry, especially from uh uh like a park and pipe design standpoint. Planet Snow, was that his name of his what was the name of his company? Was it Park Right?

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Originally it was Planet, but then it was ParkRaker.

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Park Raker, that's right. Yeah. Um in any event, he was diagnosed, I think, maybe in was it like 2015? It's been like over a decade. Yeah. Yeah. He got diagnosed with form of glioblastoma, which is a a type of brain cancer.

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Which is, you know, generally, I mean they the um They told him three months.

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Yeah. You got three months.

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Three to twelve months, you know, and that was ten years ago, and he seems like he's getting better.

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Life can throw some curveballs, you know. But yeah, it's it's uh it's um it's such a blessing that he has um done as well as he's done over the years. I mean it there's been a lot of ups and downs, but I saw him this weekend at the tactics thing, and Patman, I run into him in the summertime on his handbike. You know, it's it's insane.

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Someone told me once that he was the person that saw construction equipment one day and thought we should use that equipment on snow. Yeah. That that was his like brain child that changed ski and snowboard industry forever.

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I believe it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that that that kind of generosity is is definitely an example of of uh the Aloha spirit, right? And and yeah, what do you have any memories about your f some of your first times riding with Pat at Bachelor?

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Yeah, it's been a long time ago, but Pat was such a good snowboarder. I just remember him. We were actually on the chair coming up, probably the right after the 21 tower on northwest, and you know, you come up and there's that whole flip line on Skears left there, and and uh Pat was coming down and he hit this roll that I never saw as a jump and launched this jump that all of us, everybody on the whole chair was screaming, and he just, you know, I don't know, he went 60 feet or 70 feet or something and just landed. Just kept riding down the mountain. And you know, we chased him down and got him at the bottom. Bow, what about that jump? He goes, Yeah, I don't know. I just when I was riding up the chair, I kind of saw it and went, Well, that might be a good hit. And I've never ever seen anyone hit that jump since then. And you know, that's just Pat. He was so unassuming and um humble humble, yeah, you know, I mean, just totally humble. He just smiled, you know, that was it.

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He has a unique way of reading the hill.

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Yeah, I mean, he sees it, you know, different eyes, and he won the event one year in his division handily.

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I mean, yeah. Yeah.

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And I I was I remember presenting him the trophy that year going, wow, Pat, this is great.

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I remember you guys making the course. Pat would make the course out of foam, the little features.

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I would make it shape it out of foam and then give it to him, and he'd he kept all those things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd get the offcuts from boards, the rails, you know, when I'd saw an outline out, and I'd shape these things, and I'd go, God, what do you think about this? And he'd look at it and he'd go, Yeah. And he kept all those.

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No way.

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Oh, yeah, he brings them out if you go visit. Yeah.

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Wow, man. I've never that's uh I love that. I haven't I didn't know that story. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah. Over the years, I mean, obviously, there's been a lot of people over the years that have come. You've always in you know extended the invitation to a lot of your community from your time in surfing, and it's been always like I I remember a few years ago, I just happened to hop on the chair with Rob Machado, and you know, just getting to like tell him how much I appreciated his surfing. And uh yeah, it's there's it's it's been a lot of fun. Do do those guys enjoy coming out here?

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Oh yeah, but trying to get them to come is like pulling teeth, you know, because usually the event is right kind of prime time. Most of those guys like the big waves, you know, and um prime time for the either the big wave events or just the big swells, and so you never know, you know. The only reason we got Shane Dorian up here one year was because I told him about all the hunting he could do at on Grubby's Ranch.

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Did he get to go?

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And he he got to go. He didn't, you know. I remember Grubby calling me up, you know, and he had dropped Shane off. He goes, Okay, he's got this big valley, you know, that's about 10 or 12 miles long. And and he had Shane in the car, and he goes, and Shane's a bull hunter, you know, and he goes, Okay, um the herd of elk is often somewhere in this valley, and Shane goes, Oh, okay, great. He goes, So Grubby goes, so what do you want to do? He goes, Well, I'll get out here and uh and I'll just start walking. And he goes, Well, it's like over 10 miles, and he goes, Yeah, that's okay. And he Grubby goes, Well, where do you want me to pick you up? He goes, Oh, at the other end. And so, you know, he gets out of the car and takes off with his bone arrow, and and Grubby calls me up and he goes, Jesus, you didn't tell me you were sending Clint Eastwood here. But that was great, you know. Then when he came, I think the first year we had Matt Miola and Alby and um uh Tioni Watson. He came a bunch of years. And these guys are all really great surfers. Yeah, man.

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Who comes every year and wins surf? We need to move him from surf. I know.

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Ian Walsh. I keep telling him Ian you can't you you gotta give these other guys a chance. You know, when we first started here at Mount Bachelor, all we rode was the rainbow chair because nobody ever did. It was empty. Yeah. And you know, as the mountain grew and um northwest went in, we'd start over on the steep side, but at the end of the day, I mean, even you guys, you and James, you know, we'd always end up on rainbow and get the afternoon light.

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Yeah.

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The sunny side.

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Yeah. We're pretty lucky, man. We've had some good memories on that mountain looking over the decades, you know. It's wild. Yeah, it's very wild, actually.

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The people and the connections and the memories are Yeah.

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I mean, you know, the longer you're in the sport, the more you begin to become part of the community of that sport. Yeah. You know, eventually if you're in it long enough, you know, that's your family. Totally.

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Yeah, it's a little traveling circus.

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Uh huh.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But we have a great family at There, and you know, the mornings where you know you want to be there early, you see all your friends in line, they're all thinking the same thing. Yeah.

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The history that's come out of Mount Bachelor with Snowboarders is pretty incredible. Yeah, man. The JMO error, the Dirksen error still happening. Error. And then you got Seizek and and Austin Smith, and then you got Ben Ferg. And there's a whole new group that's coming up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's pretty fun. Kai and there's just that whole Hayden and all those kids, man. There, it's it's it's pretty fun when you're getting the next generation of McAllisters. Pro Shreds. Yeah. It's pretty fun. Yeah, I mean, that's why I think yeah, that's what brought me here was it was 100%. You know, there was snowboard industry here, but it it it f it was in the northwest and it was a smaller town, you know. So yeah. Is there anything else about the big wave? Like, is there anything new this year or anything that you would want people to hear about?

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Yeah, Michelle.

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Okay. Um talk a little bit about that.

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So Michelle has pretty deep history in snowboarding, like Pat, she ran the local contest series here for I don't know if it's USASA or USA.

SPEAKER_04: 24:27

It was Inner the Dragon, didn't she? Yeah.

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Um and then her you know, her daughter Devin was really into snowboarding, so that's kind of the draw for Michelle. So a lot of the older guys now know Michelle from being around at at the entry table. And then coincidentally, she uh worked Jerry's registration as well for Big Wave Challenge.

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From the beginning, yeah.

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Yeah, she volunteered and gave us her time and uh and then sadly uh last she got diagnosed with uh breast cancer first, and then last year it was a brain tumor. Yeah man. So we do uh the auction for Michelle specifically, the proceeds go to Michelle.

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Because, you know, the I mean her, Michelle and Pat are part of our family, and if we can help we want to, and you know, the big wave challenge presents a an opportunity for us to to help people like that. And um platform. It feels good.

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Yeah, man.

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It's aloha. Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody always thanks me for the event, but it's not me, it's everyone, you know, them too. I mean, you wouldn't have the event without them, and and I just, you know, I feel I always want to tell them, no, no, no, I can't thank everybody else, all these people, you know, they all did way more than me.

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And um that's because you're a humble guy, man.

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Yeah, but I mean that's how the event is, you know, it's just it's a lot of people coming together and putting it together, you know, yeah, doing making a big effort on their part because I don't know, you know, like we just said, you know, is it Pat? Is it Michelle? Is it just everyone, all of us? And I think, you know, by everyone showing their aloha, it just pumps up the aloha of the whole thing.

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There's a level of integrity to what you guys have created that like um is demonstrated in the community, which I don't always think is the case. So good job. It's legit. Thanks. Yeah. Same spot this year.

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We don't know. Don't know yet. Yeah, we'll see.

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Yeah.

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You know, you never know what you're gonna get. I mean, it's just you plan an event on a date, and whether it's a surf contest or a snowboard event, you take what you get. Yeah. And you know, we've had like so many different scenarios. I mean, you know, one year we were really low snow, and Tom Lomax was still the manager, and he came to me and he goes, All right, we don't have enough snow on pine. Um we're gonna have to find a new place to have the event. And I went, Okay, well, where do you think? He goes, Well, I'll meet you. And he was on skis that day, and um he goes, because I thought, okay, what about you know, right there on the um as you're looking up from the summit chair, uh the summit house there that whole looking left slope of Beverly Hills and he goes, Yeah, you know, there's a lot of snow there right now, but there's a lot of really big rocks. He goes, Follow me. And we went down all the way down marshmallow to the crossover back to uh you know, going back to Pine Martin. And we stopped in the avalanche gully there, and he goes, I got a probe. Let's see how much snow we got on the ground here. And he got that probe out, went down, he goes, Well, we got about eight feet of snow here. We got barely two feet of snow under the you know the bottom of the slopestile area. He goes, Can you have your event here? And I looked down that gully and went, Why not?

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Yeah, man.

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And we had a great event that year we had a couple of pretty bad injuries too. That was the bubbles broke his ankle and and Barrett fractured her pelvis.

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But you know, that's just from Yeah, every and all these you know, things we enjoy doing have consequence, right? Yeah.

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But that's the thing, you know. I mean I've always said that surfing is infinitely more safe than skiing or snowboarding. And you know, sometimes well in either sport, any sport, sometimes you have to pay.

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Yeah, man.

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Last year we got lucky we had so much snow.

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Yeah.

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The best course.

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I remember standing on the um slow style slope, you know, and watching because we had a fence up there and it was me and Colonel and Alex was um in there s starting to build the course, and you know, we didn't want to bother him because he had a late start, didn't he? He only had five days to do it, but he was well along in the city.

SPEAKER_01: 30:22

Well, he got invited to Baldface and you said get out of here. I said go. Yeah.

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But he um you know was well along on the course, and so we were just standing on the outside of the fence watching, and then he saw us over there, so he drove the cat over and you know, took a little break, got out, and goes right where you're standing, there's over 20 feet of snow on the ground right there. And I go, you're kidding. He goes, nope. He goes, I got so much snow this year. I go, oh, I guess the surf's gonna be up for the event. He goes, yeah. And you know, I'd have to say every year it's been such a great course that that you know everyone's built over the years, but especially Alex, because he's he keeps evolving the course. And last year, by far, for me personally, in my opinion, it was the best course we've ever had. It had the most flow to it. And that was just for me, but I asked a lot of other people, you know, whether they were top-level riders or just you know, cruisers like me, and they go, Wow, it's really fun. Yeah, and you know, we always want to have a course that's safe too, but at the same time, you know, for guys that want to go big, I mean talking about that lens that Pat has.

SPEAKER_01: 32:02

How about Dewey? Dewey has the lens.

SPEAKER_05: 32:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 32:06

He sees that course and makes something completely different happen every year that we didn't expect.

SPEAKER_05: 32:15

You know, it's just like riding a wave that everybody has their own style of doing it, and that's what we have up there. It's a frozen wave, but you know, you can interpret it any way you want.

SPEAKER_04: 32:29

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05: 32:30

And um, I don't know again what this winter's gonna bring. It's a slow start, but I'm sure we'll have snow. Oh yeah. And you know.

SPEAKER_01: 32:42

Correct me if I'm wrong, too. You brought up Alex, and the story I heard was Pat uh really had helped Alex out passing on his knowledge to Alex grooming. And when Pat got sick, you brought Alex.

SPEAKER_05: 33:01

Well, Pat always wanted to do the whole course himself. He didn't want any help. But you know, we were getting kind of close to the event, and I go, Pat, Alex is here, he's very experienced, you know, the regular bachelor of terrain park bills. Um let's bring him in. Pat's going, no, no, no, I just want to do it myself. And I go, no, Pat. He can do a lot of stuff that you don't need to do, you know, while you're creating the actual events, he can he can help. And so, you know, at first he was very reluctant, but once we had the two cats going and Pat watched Alex work, he went, wow, this kid's really good. And so that was kind of uh the start of a relationship between the two of them, you know, and and it was only I don't know if it was the next year that Pat was diagnosed, and you know.

SPEAKER_01: 34:18

Yeah, and we have Alex coming in to talk, so that'll be interesting to hear his take on his relationship with Pat.

SPEAKER_04: 34:26

That transition. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_01: 34:29

That'll be now Alex works, does X games and Yeah, I mean now he's like now Alex is famous.

SPEAKER_04: 34:36

Totally. That's good stuff. Well, um, I'm looking forward to it. Okay, yeah. Jerry, thanks for doing this, man. Easy. Yeah, cool, man. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was great. This is gonna be really good. On the next episode of Bin Magazine's The Circling Podcast.

SPEAKER_00: 34:57

It's pretty wild because this town continues just to produce solid professional snowboarders. Why do you think that is? I think that uh iron sharpens iron. I think that, you know, the older guys do a good job of bringing along the younger guys, and you can see it all the way through. And um, you know, this next generation that's coming up that hopefully we can get in on this project here. Uh, you know, we'll I think they'll they'll tell you about that the guy, the older guys, you know, they just they find each other and they support each other and they all get along. And it's it's really fun to get in a room with all those guys and and just watch them uh, you know, watch the the hazing and the and the good time that happens, you know, and um, you know, the guys that are now 37, 38, you know, are looking at the guys that are 18, 19, 20. Because I mean, it happens like that, right? Like just yesterday, those guys were coming up, you know. And we've got some great photographers, we have some great videographers, like we just have all of the things that make this a really healthy breeding ground for really strong athletes.

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Hey, thanks for listening to Bin Magazine's circling podcast. Make sure to visit BinMagazine.com and learn about all the outdoor adventures in our area, as well as upcoming featured community events, local artist profiles, our dining guide. Remember, enter promo code podcast at checkout for your$5 annual subscription. Our theme song was written by Carl Perkins and performed by Aaron Colebaker and Aaron Zerflu of the Aries. I'd like to say a special thank you to all of those who participated in the making of this episode. It wouldn't be the same without your contribution, and I appreciate your trust. Mark the calendars for March 26th to 29th for the 14th annual Jerry Lopez Big Wave Challenge, help it mount back, and stay tuned on how you can contribute to the story and contribute to the Aloha spirit of the event. Lastly, if you know someone who you think would enjoy today's episode, please share it with them today. Hey, thanks for your time, Suporgan. Get outside, we'll see you out there, and remember the health of our community relies on us.